The Voice, Marriage Equality and Brexit – a rant

On October 14th there’s a referendum taking place in Australia. It’s about whether to amend the Constitution and create an advisory group that will be a voice/Voice for indigenous Australians to the parliament. Other countries have them and the sky hasn’t fallen. In a sensible world, it would be utterly uncontroversial. But… well….

So, here’s a rant.

A few year’s back there was an advisory postal ballot about whether to allow same-sex marriage. The marriage equality thing got up handily (62% to 38% of those who voted). Which was a relief – if it had been closer, there might have been more acrimony.

The reasons for it getting through was only in part wasn’t a constitutional change (most referenda to change the constitution fail – Australians are a lot more conservative than the ‘larrikin’ mythology would have you believe). I believe it got up because it isn’t the 1970s and 1980s anymore – there are now lots and lots of people who took the brave step to “come out” and in doing so they made it that little bit easier for other people to come out. So now we are at a place, because enough people have a brother, cousin, friend, work colleague who is gay that the old bullshit about predatory behaviour, ‘perversion’ etc just doesn’t resonate. You see the same dynamic in England too – when the Sun tried the ‘gay mafia running Britain’ thing in the late 1990s there was “what the fuck are you ON?” response. They were stuck in the 1980s. So when the proposition was put that gay people should be able to marry, then enough people (especially younger ones, but of course many people with gay kids and grandkids) were like “why are we even HAVING this discussion?” And they knew the sky wasn’t going to fall.

But EVEN THEN, there were 38 percent of bigots and haters.

Now, I reckon most people who voted no to marriage equality are likely to be opposed to the Voice, because, well, hatred of change, hatred of anything that doesn’t fit their 1950s way of thinking. (I don’t know of any polling on this – I’ve not looked).  So right there, that’s a handy base for the No campaign to work from.  They only have to increase that by 15 per cent of the rest of the population or so, and they’re there.

And given that a good proportion of Australians tend not to have close friendships with Indigenous people, and haven’t got past the usual stereotypes (and the old stereotypes keep getting a run in the media, and are still MUCH more acceptable than homophobia, even misogyny), then the Yes to the Voice campaign was always going to need better tactics than it has so far displayed.

And so the now-familiar tactics – from the Brexit campaign, from Trump’s election (and from many many decades ago, but let’s not go there) – are in play. Put into turbo-boosted mode by the usual botnets on Social Media, and carefully crafted memes etc etc.

  • Our Way of Life under attack.
  • Fight back against the woke elitist, cappuccino folks.
  • Make shit up.
    Quote mine.
  • Smear the opponents.
  • Make lots of “slippery slope” arguments that sound plausible very superficially but are absolutely bollocks if you stop to think about them.
  • Lie.
  • Make shit up.
  • Whip up fear, uncertainty, doubt. 
  • Revel in ignorance, give it permission.

There’s a slogan going around – “If you don’t know, vote no.”

Seriously??  How about, “If you don’t know, find out by doing some actual research, examine the claims of proponents and opponents, figure out what is exaggeration, lie etc and THEN vote”  Surely.

So, I think it will fail. In every state. With Queensland and WA “in the lead.”

And the rest of the world will say that Australia is a racist shithole.

This is kind of Australia’s Brexit moment – an opportunity to reflect on who they are, and to think about relationships with other nations and cultures. It’s a chance to think about how they could come to see themselves, of reconciling themselves and understanding a more nuanced and real place in the world.

So, ….

it will probably fail, with horrible consequences (though Australia’s economy will not take the same hit, but its culture might – who knows?)

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  1. Marc, every Australian currently has a ‘voice’, councilors, state MP;s and federal MP’s can be contacted any time. A person can write, phone or petition their representative if they so desire. Australia also has the NIAA with a $2 billion bank roll to do the very thing the proposed Voice is proposed to do!!
    Australians need to ask, What follows the Voice should it get up?

    1. Hi Jon,
      Aboriginal people are a minority – I think about 2 per cent of the population, and not even evenly distributed. What if their councilors/MPs/federal MPs turn around and say “screw you, you can’t hurt me electorally, so suck it up”? There are special problems facing Aboriginal people, and all the Voice does is create a body that can’t be easily destroyed (the way Howard did with ATSEC). A body that can offer advice to Federal MPs – which they can then disregard if they see fit – about laws etc concerning Aboriginal people. As to “What follows” – well, an advisory body. Slippery slope arguments are weak, imo. Finland didn’t, for example, get suddenly ruled by the Saami.

      But you will vote how you vote, I guess. I just hope that you are outnumbered. But I don’t think you will be. I think the No campaign will win and that it will be a sour tragedy.

  2. Marc, This is not a political issue, rather it is a societal problem, but yes Howard sacked ATSIC, reason, it was failing in it’s duties.
    Back to now, Australians of which I am one, claim to live in a Democracy (don’t get me started on that), our form of Democracy espouses “one person, one vote”, to weaken or destroy this concept will only further erode the concept of Democracy and I don’t believe you would want that?

    1. HI Jon,
      you’re setting up a strawman, a bogeyman, and it is not a debating ploy worthy of you.

      The Voice won’t destroy or weaken democracy, any more than what they have done in Finland with the Saami (a point you consistently have not addressed) has hurt democracy there.

      Democracies have a great strength over autocracies, they change and adapt. So, there was a time women couldn’t vote. There was a time when Aborigines were fauna. All sorts of changes, growth. No need to be afraid of that. Rather, to celebrate it.

      You seem to accept that ATSIC had duties back then, that it was failing in. So you don’t seem to have a problem with such a body existing?!? Or am I misunderstanding?

      Btw, I would recommend this https://theshot.net.au/general-news/voiceless/

      Also btw, If by “political issue” you mean party politics, it has been made one by Dutton, who famously walked out of the Apology, and is using the culture war playbook, as described in the original post.

  3. Mard, I haven’t addressed the Finland issue because I don’t know enough about it. However, I would suggest Fins and their culture are vastly different to ours?
    Regarding the politics surrounding the propose Voice, you may recall one of my past posts regarding the 70’s and my views ever since.
    Back once again to the now, if the Voice is supported, it will do nothing the NIAA is doing, or not doing, depending on how one sees it.
    I don’t believe there is a division between First Australians and the rest of us, but if there is, sadly this referendum will only widen it.

    1. Hi Jon, like you I am no huge expert on Finland, but they have two legs, two eyes etc. They’re humans, in an advanced/industrial state, and they coped. Might be worth a closer look, given they’ve got 20 years of experience of Saami having a voice.
      With respect, the majority (70 to 80 percent, I think, though polls vary) of Indigenous people disagree with you – they want the Voice enshrined in the constitution for respect reasons (see the link I just sent) and because they don’t trust white politicians not to abolish any advisory group that gave advice the whites didn’t like.
      There ARE divisions, I think. It is not comfortable to see them, for sure, but they’re there. A Voice is one part of bridging the gap. Have a read of the Uluru Statement from the Heart (it’s only a page). Read it out loud perhaps…

      Watch some videos from the proponents of it, explaining what it is, why they think it is needed.

      Go well.

      Marc

      1. Marc, I am an old man, who has now spent 60 adult years in this country. As we have debated “racism” before, you know I don’t believe it exists in this or any country, bigotry and ignorance, YES, racism NO.
        Regarding disagreement, First Australians like the rest of us, seem to have different and conflicting views on the proposed Voice and there lies the problem. This whole issue has been badly managed, a smart move would be to drop it and start again, but political pride won’t allow this to happen.

        Enough from me, have a good one.
        John

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